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Leaked Epstein-Bannon Interview Sheds Light on Epstein's Background, Economic critiques, and Esoteric Ideas

Anonymous

06 Feb 2026 — 2 min read

A two-hour interview between convicted offender Jeffrey Epstein and former Trump advisor Steve Bannon, recorded at Epstein's Manhattan townhouse, leaked online in late January 2026. Offering insights into Epstein's worldview before his 2019 arrest and death. Originally part of an unreleased documentary or PR effort, the footage covers Epstein's background, economic critiques, and esoteric ideas. According to author Michael Wolff, who was there for the first taping and reviewed transcripts of others, Bannon may actually have no ownership rights to the recordings - “Whatever exists is technically owned by Jeffrey Epstein or his estate.” Even if the tapes survived, Wolff says, they would likely be in the possession of Epstein’s co-executors, attorney Darren Indyke and accountant Richard Kahn.

Key points from the discussion include:

Rise to Power and Elite Networks: Epstein recounts his journey from a humble Coney Island upbringing to positions on the Rockefeller University board and Trilateral Commission, expressing disdain for positional authority but respect for innovative ideas.
Financial Systems and Illiteracy: He explains fractional reserve banking—where banks lend far more than their deposits—and criticizes leaders' lack of financial understanding, linking it to systemic risks.
2008 Financial Crisis Insights: From jail during the Lehman Brothers collapse, Epstein describes making collect calls to Bear Stearns and JP Morgan, viewing the crisis as an unpredictable "heart attack" in a complex economic body, exacerbated by Clinton-era deregulation and subprime mortgages.
Complexity Theory and Science Funding: Epstein discusses funding the Santa Fe Institute to study chaos in math and physics, but deems efforts to mathematize complexity a "failure," drawing analogies to AI and unpredictable markets.
Philosophical Limits of Knowledge: Touching on figures like Newton, Leibniz, and Gödel, he argues that phenomena like gravity, life, and the soul are "miracles" beyond scientific explanation, labeling the soul as "dark matter" and emphasizing intuition over pure reason in fields like trading and philanthropy.

The leak has sparked online debates, with no official release from Bannon or Epstein's estate.

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